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Traveller-digest     Friday, December 24 1999     Volume 1999 : Number 1574<BR>
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The following topics are covered in this digest:<BR>
<BR>
Re: USIP<BR>
Re: FW: moderator: America, as seen by a Canadian<BR>
Re: 3I Sports<BR>
Re: Why use .jpg?<BR>
Re: China <BR>
re: Music<BR>
Re: England<BR>
Re: Geog<BR>
Re: Geographical idiocy (<BR>
Re: Hiding education :was Geographical idiocy...<BR>
Re: Geographical idiocy (<BR>
Re: Drawing Program<BR>
Re: Drawing Program<BR>
Re: Geographical idiocy (<BR>
Re: Drawing Program<BR>
Re: Geographical idiocy (<BR>
Re: Hiding education :was Geographical idiocy <BR>
Re: [OT] War of 1812<BR>
Tracking Santa this year via NORAD<BR>
Re: Hiding education :was Geographical idiocy <BR>
Re: Terran polities<BR>
Re: OT-- North Pole Standoff with the ATF<BR>
Re: Drawing Program<BR>
Re: England<BR>
Re: England... [WWII Casaulties]<BR>
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Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 10:59:51 -0500<BR>
From: Thad Coons <Sapience@compuserve.com><BR>
Subject: Re: USIP<BR>
<BR>
Glenn M. Goffin wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>This is a very nice idea.  Have you cross-posted it to the<BR>
>Traveller Culture Mailing List?  <BR>
<BR>
I'm not on that list, so it never occurred to me. I wouldn't object if<BR>
someone did and sent me any feedback, but just the TML is sometimes more<BR>
than I can keep up with. Feedback from anyone on this list would be good,<BR>
too.<BR>
  <BR>
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Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 11:24:27 -0500<BR>
From: "Walter G. Smith" <smithw@hartwick.edu><BR>
Subject: Re: FW: moderator: America, as seen by a Canadian<BR>
<BR>
Frank Pitt wrote:<BR>
>>>>>>>><BR>
Though I don't see why you're holding up the DC10 for comparison, it was a<BR>
crap plane, a complete maintenance nightmare, and not particualry nice for<BR>
passengers either.<BR>
<BR>
Do you know how often the doors fell off those things ?<BR>
>>>>>>>><BR>
Never flew in a DC-10...only flown a handful of times. Please point<BR>
your "you" at the commentator quoted if there are details not to your liking.<BR>
Not to say the details shouldn't be analyzed, but it's important to keep<BR>
the origin of quotes in mind (IMO).<BR>
<BR>
Walt Smith<BR>
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Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 09:34:08 -0700 (MST)<BR>
From: Bruce Johnson <johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU><BR>
Subject: Re: 3I Sports<BR>
<BR>
On Fri, 24 Dec 1999, Frank Pitt wrote:<BR>
 <BR>
> The fun thing about 'Shockwave Rider' is that Brunner predicted computer<BR>
> viruses, before they actually existed (though it may have been close, when<BR>
> was the Internet Worm released ?), he just got the _name_ wrong, calling<BR>
> them "phages", which I believe may be a much more biologically accurate<BR>
> description.<BR>
<BR>
Well, the Internet Worm was in 1988, but computer viruses existed ong<BR>
before that. An article I read a long time ago in Scientific American<BR>
about computer viruses, described one written on an Apple II, designed to<BR>
spread under DOS 3.3 (Apple DOS 3.3 no relation to MS DOS anything) which<BR>
would date it to the late 70's early 80's.<BR>
<BR>
PC Virii existed before then, as well.<BR>
<BR>
The Internet worm:<BR>
<BR>
http://www.software.com.pl/newarchive/misc/Worm/darbyt/pages/worm.html<BR>
<BR>
Was remarkable in that it was the first virus to actively use security<BR>
holes in networkable OS'es to use the internet to propagate itself.<BR>
<BR>
Note, this was over ten years _before_ Melissa did, essentially, the same<BR>
thing. If ever there was proof that MS's programmers fundamentally Don't<BR>
Get It, this would be it. <BR>
<BR>
Bruce Johnson<BR>
University of Arizona<BR>
College of Pharmacy<BR>
Information Technology Group<BR>
<BR>
Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs<BR>
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Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 09:36:58 -0700 (MST)<BR>
From: Merrick Burkhardt <merrick@shell.rt66.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Why use .jpg?<BR>
<BR>
I use photoshop and imageready, myself.<BR>
<BR>
As for optimizing gifs, you can optimize them in general--or for the<BR>
web.<BR>
<BR>
For the web you want to switch modes from RGB to Indexed<BR>
Color-=-pick WEB pallate, though (216 colors shared by Mac, PC,<BR>
Netscape, and IE). Switch back to rgb, then GIF the sucker again,<BR>
tis time use the EXACT colors setting. B&W art with anti-alias will<BR>
now be down to 6 colors.<BR>
<BR>
- -Merrick<BR>
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Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 09:44:34 -0700 (MST)<BR>
From: Bruce Johnson <johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU><BR>
Subject: Re: China <BR>
<BR>
On Thu, 23 Dec 1999, Glenn Goffin wrote:<BR>
 <BR>
> Well, the Chinese have been known to take the position<BR>
> that all of Japanese culture can be traced to<BR>
> borrowings from China.  As to some things, the<BR>
> Japanese don't deny it.  For example, many Japanese<BR>
> word characters are the same as Chinese characters.  <BR>
<BR>
Yes, the Kanji (Oh, damn it's been almost 20 years since my Japanese<BR>
class...be gentle with me Kiri:-) were borrowed wholesale from China quite<BR>
some time ago, when Japan went through a period of feeling inferior to<BR>
China. Katakana and Hirigana are home grown alphabets, and are a phonetic <BR>
system (they're related to each other like printed and cursive are in<BR>
English, only with different rules on when they're used) vs Kanji which<BR>
are pictographic. This makes written Japanese a bit _difficult_ to<BR>
learn... <BR>
<BR>
Bruce Johnson<BR>
University of Arizona<BR>
College of Pharmacy<BR>
Information Technology Group<BR>
<BR>
Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs<BR>
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Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 11:46:35 -0500<BR>
From: "Walter G. Smith" <smithw@hartwick.edu><BR>
Subject: re: Music<BR>
<BR>
>"Just some good ole Droyns...Never mean any harm..."  <ducks><BR>
"Beats all you ever saw, been in trouble with grand-pa since the humans<BR>
were born..."<BR>
<BR>
Buildin' some worlds....inventin' some tech...<BR>
Makin' piles of stuff for the final war to pound into wrecks...<BR>
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Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 08:44:50<BR>
From: "Douglas E. Berry" <gridlore@pop.mindspring.com><BR>
Subject: Re: England<BR>
<BR>
At 02:59 AM 12/24/1999 -0000, you wrote:<BR>
>>Doesn't what uniforms the bodies are wearing, what matters is whose flag<BR>
>>gets planted on top of the heap.<BR>
><BR>
>Is that really the important thing?<BR>
<BR>
Once the shooting starts, that's the most important thing.  You get out of<BR>
the Army's way and let it do its job, which is breaking things and hurting<BR>
people.<BR>
<BR>
The current demand from the American public that military be some sort of<BR>
adventure camp, with every death met by horrendous outcry, disturbs me.<BR>
What soldiers do is *dangerous.*  Some of them a re going to die, or come<BR>
home in wheelchairs, or just emotionally scared.  Rather than trying to<BR>
sugarcoat the service, people should focus on making sure that the veterans<BR>
get taken care of adequately.<BR>
<BR>
There was an episode recently of "The west Wing" in which one of the White<BR>
House staffers was called out to the Korean War Memorial because his<BR>
business card had been found in the jacket of a dead homeless man.  Turns<BR>
out the man had been giving an old coat the staffer had donated years back.<BR>
<BR>
The staffer, an ex-Marine, recognizes a tattoo on the dead man's arm, and<BR>
realizes that he is also a Marine.  After a little searching, he discovers<BR>
that the man's only living relative is a developmentally disabled brother,<BR>
who is also homeless.  The staffer uses the President's name to get an<BR>
honor guard and a slot in Arlington. <BR>
<BR>
The President calls him to task for this, saying that "all the homeless<BR>
vets will come out of the woodwork now."<BR>
<BR>
The response?  "Mr. President, I pray they do."<BR>
- -- <BR>
<BR>
Douglas E. Berry       gridlore@mindspring.com<BR>
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html<BR>
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Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 08:48:32<BR>
From: "Douglas E. Berry" <gridlore@pop.mindspring.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Geog<BR>
<BR>
At 01:45 AM 12/24/1999 -0900, you wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>The Orinoko R<BR>
<BR>
That was the only one that gave me pause, mainly because I usually see that<BR>
spelled with a c rather than a k.<BR>
<BR>
Drains through Venezuela, IINM.<BR>
- -- <BR>
<BR>
Douglas E. Berry       gridlore@mindspring.com<BR>
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html<BR>
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Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 08:50:34<BR>
From: "Douglas E. Berry" <gridlore@pop.mindspring.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Geographical idiocy (<BR>
<BR>
At 03:15 AM 12/24/1999 EST, you wrote:<BR>
>Maps are GOOD!!! <BR>
<BR>
Maps are life.<BR>
- -- <BR>
<BR>
Douglas E. Berry       gridlore@mindspring.com<BR>
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html<BR>
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Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 08:54:02<BR>
From: "Douglas E. Berry" <gridlore@pop.mindspring.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Hiding education :was Geographical idiocy...<BR>
<BR>
At 01:49 PM 12/24/1999 +1000, you wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>I personally like "The Ballad of Magellan"<BR>
<BR>
Seen the episode where Yakko sings the Oxford English Dictionary?<BR>
- -- <BR>
<BR>
Douglas E. Berry       gridlore@mindspring.com<BR>
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 08:50:04<BR>
From: "Douglas E. Berry" <gridlore@pop.mindspring.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Geographical idiocy (<BR>
<BR>
At 09:22 PM 12/23/1999 -0600, you wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>They should know what the six flags over Texas are, and why they are <BR>
>important.<BR>
<BR>
"Cause dude!  That's where the roller coasters are!!!"<BR>
- -- <BR>
<BR>
Douglas E. Berry       gridlore@mindspring.com<BR>
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 09:59:10 -0700 (MST)<BR>
From: Bruce Johnson <johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU><BR>
Subject: Re: Drawing Program<BR>
<BR>
On Thu, 23 Dec 1999, Josh W. Spencer wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> >> Eris asked:<BR>
> >> <BR>
> >> Didn't Gateway buy the rights to the Amiga a couple years ago?  If so did<BR>
> >> they bury it or do they plan to do anything with it?<BR>
> <BR>
> Then, Jory Earl wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> > Yes they did, but Microsoft pressured them to bury it.<BR>
> <BR>
> Monopoly power at work.<BR>
<BR>
Not really. Gateway primarily bought Amiga to develop set-top boxes whe it<BR>
appeared that they were the Next Great Thing <BR>
<BR>
(before ol' Steve 'iCEO for Life' Jobs really did finally nail the Next<BR>
Great Thing, the iMac...witness the number of different, cute,<BR>
fruit-colored, all-in-one systems being introduced by PC makers this<BR>
Christmas, after all of them publically laughed and said the iMac wouldn't<BR>
ever sell..'it doesn't even have a floppy drive!')<BR>
<BR>
Since then rumor has swirled around unabated, and generally unsullied by<BR>
fact, Amiga is coming out with a great upgrade, no they're turning them<BR>
into Linux boxes, no they're something else entirely, no they're what<BR>
TransMeta _really_ is, etc. etc. etc.<BR>
<BR>
One interesting rumor concerning Gateway is that back when Apple was<BR>
licencing clones, Gateway was this > < close to becoming a licensee. but<BR>
this was just as iCFL Jobs was coming on board, and the deal fell through.<BR>
<BR>
Too bad. Gateway could have probably avoided the problems the other Mac<BR>
cloners had, which was that they didn't grow the Mac market share, only<BR>
ate into Apple's. <BR>
<BR>
Gateway had a lot more market mindshare than Umax, Daystar or Power<BR>
Computing _ever_ did, combined, and they had it _outside_ the Mac market.<BR>
<BR>
A big-league second-tier PC maker like Gateway could have pushed Macs a<BR>
lot farther into the mainstream market than any of them, which is what<BR>
Apple wanted, and what the cloners failed to do.<BR>
<BR>
Bruce Johnson<BR>
University of Arizona<BR>
College of Pharmacy<BR>
Information Technology Group<BR>
<BR>
Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> <BR>
> -- <BR>
> Josh<BR>
> <BR>
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<BR>
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 10:05:23 -0700 (MST)<BR>
From: Bruce Johnson <johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU><BR>
Subject: Re: Drawing Program<BR>
<BR>
On Fri, 24 Dec 1999, Ethan Henry wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> <BR>
> If I write code that implements LZW compression (jn ANY form, not just GIF<BR>
> image compression) than I need a UNISYS license. However, if I can create a <BR>
> valid GIF file without using LZW (it is possible, though not totally desirable)<BR>
> then I'm ok.<BR>
><BR>
<BR>
Actually, non-infringing GIF routines do exist. <BR>
<BR>
I was just reading one of the readmes that came with mayura draw:<BR>
quote: (Programmers, check 'em out!)<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
 * Copyright (C) 1998 Hutchison Avenue Software Corporation<BR>
 *               http://www.hasc.com<BR>
 *               info@hasc.com<BR>
 *<BR>
 * Permission to use, copy, modify, and distribute this software and its<BR>
 * documentation for any purpose and without fee is hereby granted,<BR>
provided<BR>
 * that the above copyright notice appear in all copies and that both that<BR>
 * copyright notice and this permission notice appear in supporting<BR>
 * documentation.  This software is provided "AS IS." The Hutchison Avenue <BR>
 * Software Corporation disclaims all warranties, either express or<BR>
implied, <BR>
 * including but not limited to implied warranties of merchantability and <BR>
 * fitness for a particular purpose, with respect to this code and<BR>
accompanying<BR>
 * documentation. <BR>
 * <BR>
 * The miGIF compression routines do not, strictly speaking, generate<BR>
files <BR>
 * conforming to the GIF spec, since the image data is not LZW-compressed <BR>
 * (this is the point: in order to avoid transgression of the Unisys<BR>
patent <BR>
 * on the LZW algorithm.)  However, miGIF generates data streams that any <BR>
 * reasonably sane LZW decompresser will decompress to what we want.<BR>
 *<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Bruce Johnson<BR>
University of Arizona<BR>
College of Pharmacy<BR>
Information Technology Group<BR>
<BR>
Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 10:12:59 -0700 (MST)<BR>
From: Bruce Johnson <johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU><BR>
Subject: Re: Geographical idiocy (<BR>
<BR>
On Thu, 23 Dec 1999 eris@pcola.gulf.net wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>  They should know what the six flags<BR>
> over Texas are, and why they are important. And...<g>...I better stop now.<BR>
<BR>
Why, that's where all the cool amusement rides are, of course! Geez, you<BR>
would think they know _NOTHING_ important!!!<BR>
<BR>
Bruce Johnson<BR>
University of Arizona<BR>
College of Pharmacy<BR>
Information Technology Group<BR>
<BR>
Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 12:24:38 -0500<BR>
From: "Jory Earl" <j-man@iname.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Drawing Program<BR>
<BR>
I really think Amiga could have been a much more powerful, robust and stable<BR>
machine than the others out there.  You can't tell me Gates and his cronies<BR>
couldn't see what a threat this was and not do something to forestall it.<BR>
Who would want a crummy Windows PC with its limitations when you can have 10<BR>
times the machine and a more stable operating system?<BR>
___________________________________________________________<BR>
 J-Man<BR>
 ICQ# 2843475<BR>
 New Hampshire - U.S.A.<BR>
 Email : j-man@iname.com<BR>
 Home Page : http://www.geocities.com/~jman037/<BR>
___________________________________________________________<BR>
<BR>
- ----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: "Bruce Johnson" <johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU><BR>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Sent: Friday, December 24, 1999 11:59 AM<BR>
Subject: Re: Drawing Program<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> On Thu, 23 Dec 1999, Josh W. Spencer wrote:<BR>
><BR>
> > >> Eris asked:<BR>
> > >><BR>
> > >> Didn't Gateway buy the rights to the Amiga a couple years ago?  If so<BR>
did<BR>
> > >> they bury it or do they plan to do anything with it?<BR>
> ><BR>
> > Then, Jory Earl wrote:<BR>
> ><BR>
> > > Yes they did, but Microsoft pressured them to bury it.<BR>
> ><BR>
> > Monopoly power at work.<BR>
><BR>
> Not really. Gateway primarily bought Amiga to develop set-top boxes whe it<BR>
> appeared that they were the Next Great Thing<BR>
><BR>
> (before ol' Steve 'iCEO for Life' Jobs really did finally nail the Next<BR>
> Great Thing, the iMac...witness the number of different, cute,<BR>
> fruit-colored, all-in-one systems being introduced by PC makers this<BR>
> Christmas, after all of them publically laughed and said the iMac wouldn't<BR>
> ever sell..'it doesn't even have a floppy drive!')<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 11:22:27 -0600<BR>
From: Black ICE <wombat@premier.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Geographical idiocy (<BR>
<BR>
"Douglas E. Berry" wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> At 03:15 AM 12/24/1999 EST, you wrote:<BR>
> >Maps are GOOD!!!<BR>
> <BR>
> Maps are life.<BR>
<BR>
Maps kept me off a work detail in basic training!<BR>
<BR>
One fine Sunday at Ft. Lost-in-the-Woods, when we saw the rakes piled<BR>
outside the drill sergeants' office, everyone in my platoon was Touched<BR>
by the Holy Spirit... except for me.  (I figured that going to church<BR>
_just_ to get out of a work detail would be unethical.)<BR>
<BR>
Well, they wouldn't _force_ me to go, so the drill sergeant who had to<BR>
stay back at the barracks with me taught me to read military maps (grid<BR>
coordinates and all that), which was the sceduled training for that<BR>
Sunday afternoon.  Well, as a long-time gamer, I was already familiar<BR>
with the concepts involved, and it was just a matter of learning the<BR>
specifics of the grid coordinate system in use.<BR>
<BR>
From then on, whenever our platoon was training on map reading, I was<BR>
used as an assistant instructor....<BR>
<BR>
Even now, in gaming sessions, my signature line is "Let's take a look at<BR>
the map."  (I even recorded a .wav file of me saying that, so that I<BR>
could have my computer say it for me during gaming sessions.)<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
AuricTech Shipyards Journeyman Gearhead<BR>
"Gold-Plated [tm] solutions for copper-plated problems!" (r)<BR>
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/9776<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 10:21:29 -0700 (MST)<BR>
From: Bruce Johnson <johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU><BR>
Subject: Re: Hiding education :was Geographical idiocy <BR>
<BR>
On Thu, 23 Dec 1999, Jory Earl wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> You even have to ask?  Just look around you.  We live in a declining,<BR>
> stagnant society where the general distribution of mental capacity is 1 or 2<BR>
> sigma's of standard deviation from the median.<BR>
<BR>
I don't know...one of the earliest known writing samples is allegedly<BR>
something along the lines of "Oh what is this younger generation coming<BR>
to?"...a few _thousand_ BC...;-)<BR>
<BR>
And we're _always_ distributed 1 or 2 sigma from the median...that's sort<BR>
of, like, you know, the _definition_ of the normal distribution...<BR>
<BR>
Unless you're from Lake Woebegone...<BR>
<BR>
Bruce Johnson<BR>
University of Arizona<BR>
College of Pharmacy<BR>
Information Technology Group<BR>
<BR>
Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 10:27:56 -0700 (MST)<BR>
From: Bruce Johnson <johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU><BR>
Subject: Re: [OT] War of 1812<BR>
<BR>
On Thu, 23 Dec 1999, Glenn Goffin wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> >From: "Jim & Peta Lawrie" <jimpeta@primus.com.au><BR>
> <BR>
> >Ahhh, the famous "Red Herring" class. Built at Snark <BR>
> >enterprises using the best Maguffin drives. I <BR>
> >especially like the "Goose Pursuit" model.<BR>
> <BR>
> Let's not forget the Snipe Hunt class small craft.<BR>
<BR>
I have a sketched out TNE campaign based around the free trader 'Dace'<BR>
<BR>
"...a threeee hour tour, a threee hour tour..." ;-)<BR>
<BR>
Bruce Johnson<BR>
University of Arizona<BR>
College of Pharmacy<BR>
Information Technology Group<BR>
<BR>
Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 09:28:32 -0800<BR>
From: "James W. Lindsay" <jlindsay@home.com><BR>
Subject: Tracking Santa this year via NORAD<BR>
<BR>
The Annual NORAD Santa Tracking program is on its way, as per usual this<BR>
time of year.  Unfortunately, they have decided to go with a Macromedia<BR>
Flash-only site this year, which may prove to be too slow for people still<BR>
using traditional dial-up accounts.<BR>
<BR>
http://www.noradsanta.org/<BR>
<BR>
If this site is unsatisfactory to you, you can always try:<BR>
<BR>
http://www.northpole4kids.com/<BR>
<BR>
Enjoy!  And have a good one!<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
James W. Lindsay       Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada<BR>
"http://members.home.net/jlindsay"   ICQ:7521644 (Sharkey)<BR>
<BR>
"Honk if you've slept with Riker."<BR>
           -- typical Starfleet shuttlecraft bumpersticker<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 12:39:45 -0500<BR>
From: "Jory Earl" <j-man@iname.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Hiding education :was Geographical idiocy <BR>
<BR>
___________________________________________________________<BR>
<BR>
- ----- Original Message ----- <BR>
From: "Bruce Johnson" <johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU><BR>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Sent: Friday, December 24, 1999 12:21 PM<BR>
Subject: Re: Hiding education :was Geographical idiocy <BR>
> <BR>
> I don't know...one of the earliest known writing samples is allegedly<BR>
> something along the lines of "Oh what is this younger generation coming<BR>
> to?"...a few _thousand_ BC...;-)<BR>
<BR>
I didn't know this.  But it certainly seems to be sequiter.<BR>
<BR>
> <BR>
> And we're _always_ distributed 1 or 2 sigma from the median...that's sort<BR>
> of, like, you know, the _definition_ of the normal distribution...<BR>
> <BR>
> Unless you're from Lake Woebegone...<BR>
<BR>
ROFL!<BR>
<BR>
 J-Man<BR>
 ICQ# 2843475<BR>
 New Hampshire - U.S.A.<BR>
 Email : j-man@iname.com<BR>
 Home Page : http://www.geocities.com/~jman037/<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 09:29:53 -0800<BR>
From: "Kiri Aradia Morgan" <tiamat@tsoft.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Terran polities<BR>
<BR>
From: Glenn Goffin <gmgoffin@yahoo.com><BR>
<BR>
<BR>
>>From: "Kiri Aradia Morgan" <tiamat@tsoft.com><BR>
><BR>
>> Morgan is a fairly common last name.<BR>
<BR>
>><BR>
>I've just assumed you were a descendant of the famous pirates Henry and<BR>
J.P. Morgan.<BR>
><BR>
<BR>
I wish.  I'd love to have an inheritance to squander (or not).<BR>
<BR>
Kiri  =)<BR>
<BR>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<BR>
Kiri Aradia Morgan      93!      Thou Art God...<BR>
tiamat@tsoft.com<BR>
<BR>
"That wickedness weltering around inside of you, inside of everyone, is<BR>
sacred somewhere.  There's<BR>
a deity out there who digs it.  You can respect and love your darkest side,<BR>
disposing of only what is obsolete or impractical.  It's all about giving<BR>
yourself permission."<BR>
                                -- Jack Darkhand<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 09:36:22 -0800<BR>
From: "Kiri Aradia Morgan" <tiamat@tsoft.com><BR>
Subject: Re: OT-- North Pole Standoff with the ATF<BR>
<BR>
From: Sethkimmel@aol.com <Sethkimmel@aol.com><BR>
Subject: Re: OT-- North Pole Standoff with the ATF<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
>BRILLIANT!!! Where did you get this, or did you write it yourself?<BR>
><BR>
It had been forwarded to me via several other people; I can't claim credit.<BR>
But since there was no mention of who had ever written it, I didn't want to<BR>
make you guys suffer thru scrolling thru pages of headers and indents.<BR>
<BR>
I KNEW you guys would love this.<BR>
<BR>
Kiri  =)<BR>
<BR>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<BR>
Kiri Aradia Morgan      93!      Thou Art God...<BR>
tiamat@tsoft.com<BR>
<BR>
"That wickedness weltering around inside of you, inside of everyone, is<BR>
sacred somewhere.  There's<BR>
a deity out there who digs it.  You can respect and love your darkest side,<BR>
disposing of only what is obsolete or impractical.  It's all about giving<BR>
yourself permission."<BR>
                                -- Jack Darkhand<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 09:50:20 PST<BR>
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)<BR>
Subject: Re: Drawing Program<BR>
<BR>
In mail you write:<BR>
<BR>
> - My choice: I want three copies of *everything*: the artist's<BR>
> original format whatever it is (preserve maximum fidelity, and hope I<BR>
> can read it), WMF or DXF (for a close vector approximation that<BR>
> allows me to effectively scale and edit it), and .PNG or .GIF as the<BR>
> "most portable least editable."<BR>
<BR>
*Please* avoid GIF, at least as an *output* format for *new* programs.<BR>
You have to pay royalties to Unisys because of their (IMO) *Highly*<BR>
unethical (but legal) behavior in filing for a patent on LZW<BR>
compression and then *publishing* the algorithm with nary a mention of<BR>
the fact. This resulted in it being used in a lot of things, including<BR>
the GIF standard, which wouldn't have touched it with a 10 foot pole if<BR>
they'd known it was going to have royalties attached.<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred<BR>
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 13:19:14 EST<BR>
From: GaryBartz@aol.com<BR>
Subject: Re: England<BR>
<BR>
Honestly...winning is nice, but the prime requirement is do not ever lose. No <BR>
matter what, do not lose. If you lose your people pay dearly, not winning <BR>
just means that you didn't get what you wanted in the war.<BR>
<BR>
Ex--Germany lost the first war to England and France, and paid dearly, their <BR>
people driven into starvation in payback for the war.<BR>
Germany failed to win the second war, but America won most of the country, <BR>
leading that section to only being non-winners, not losers.<BR>
Ex 2--the south lost the American Civil War, at first, losing much <BR>
infrastructure and being under the iron thumb of the federal military and <BR>
government, determined that they toe the current PC line; but when Lincoln <BR>
died and Johnson became the boss they went to only not winning, getting to <BR>
keep self government and not being forced into serf status under their new <BR>
masters from the north. <BR>
<BR>
In a message dated 12/23/99 10:36:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, <BR>
owner-traveller-digest@lists.imagiconline.com writes:<BR>
<BR>
<< >Doesn't what uniforms the bodies are wearing, what matters is whose flag<BR>
 >gets planted on top of the heap.<BR>
 <BR>
 <BR>
 Is that really the important thing?<BR>
 <BR>
 (I'm not saying you're wrong, certainly not in a Realpolitik sense.)<BR>
  >><BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 13:23:16 -0500<BR>
From: "David L. Pulver" <dlpulver@kos.net><BR>
Subject: Re: England... [WWII Casaulties]<BR>
<BR>
>From: shudson@lightspeed.bc.ca (Steven Hudson)<BR>
>Subject: Re: England...<BR>
><BR>
>>From: Glenn Goffin <gmgoffin@yahoo.com><BR>
>>Subject: Re: England...<BR>
>...<BR>
>>>>I believe that most Germans (civilian and military) <BR>
>>>>died as a direct or indirect result of aerial <BR>
>>>>bombardment.  The USA bombed during the day,<BR>
>><BR>
>>>  That should be wildly inaccurate, unless the losses<BR>
>...<BR>
>>You may be right.  At least the figures probably exist<BR>
>>for the Second World War.  Did the German army or the<BR>
>>civilian population lose more people?  More civilians<BR>
>>died as a result of bombing, but more German soldiers<BR>
>>died from the usual variety causes in the Eastern<BR>
>>Front than anywhere else.  <BR>
><BR>
>  Two million civilians vs 4.5 million military; at a wild guess<BR>
>~80% of the violent civilian deaths were bombing related, and<BR>
>military deaths from strategic bombing would be a few % at best<BR>
>(but significant in several respects).<BR>
><BR>
>        Steven Hudson<BR>
<BR>
Some cheery Christmas statistics from John Keegan's Second World War:<BR>
<BR>
Germany: 4 to 4.5 million battle deaths (variation due to missing and POWs<BR>
not returning from Russia).  Civilians:  593,000 dead in allied bombing.<BR>
1.5 million (approx) dead during early 1945 winter evacuation from eastern<BR>
territories and from Red Army advance.<BR>
<BR>
Britain: 244,000 battle deaths. 60,000 civilians dead from aerial bombardment.<BR>
<BR>
Commonwealth battle deaths:  23,000 Australian, 37,000 Canadian, 24,000<BR>
Indian,<BR>
10,000 New Zealand, 6,000 South African.  No major civilian losses.<BR>
<BR>
American battle deaths:   292,000 battle deaths.  No major civilian losses.<BR>
<BR>
Soviet Union:  ~7 million battle deaths.  ~7 million civilian deaths<BR>
(mostly Ukrainian and White Russian, dead from deprivation, reprisal and<BR>
forced labor).<BR>
<BR>
France:  200,000 battle deaths, 400,000 civilian deaths (mix of allied and<BR>
German air attack and German concentration camps).<BR>
<BR>
Greece:  250,000 dead (civil war accounts for many).<BR>
<BR>
Yugoslavia:  1,000,000 dead (civil war and anti-guerilla reprisals)<BR>
<BR>
Italy: 330,000 dead, half civilian.<BR>
<BR>
Holland: 10,000 battle dead, 190,000 civilian dead (bombing and Nazi camps).<BR>
<BR>
Poland:  6 million dead (no civ/mil. mix listed, but half were those Jews<BR>
killed in the death camps; Jewish deaths were also a high proportion of<BR>
other civilian deaths throughout occupied Europe).<BR>
<BR>
Japan:  260-500,000(?) civilian deaths (mostly strategic bombing or<BR>
privation, but 70-160,000 dead at Okiniwa...), 1.2 million battle deaths.<BR>
<BR>
Can't find figures for China and other Asian countries; they were very high<BR>
as (in China's case) the war started before 1939 and for many nations (as<BR>
in Greece and Yugoslavia) warfare continued well after 1945. As a direct<BR>
result of Japanese invasion + occupation rather than civil war, probably<BR>
1-3 million in China.  Total war dead from WWII:  about 50 million.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
 _____________________________________________________________________<BR>
     David L. Pulver -- Senior Staff Writer and Assistant Line Editor,<BR>
		     Guardians Of Order Incorporated<BR>
 Big Eyes, Small Mouth * Sailor Moon * Dominion Tank Police * Tenchi Muyo! RPG<BR>
             dlpulver@kos.net  http://www.guardiansorder.on.ca<BR>
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